I have a question about using hypnosis to help me get fat. I've been looking into some taped stuff. Anyway, I've got the subliminal weight gain one (which hasn't worked very well), the one where the guy puts you into a state of deep sleep and then tells you weight gain is ok (I don't know if it's working but it turns me on easily. LOL. o.O), and then the hypnosis script (which I feel has worked a bit in me not worrying about the gain) .
What I was wondering - are there any others? I was wondering in particular if there was one that talked freely about being a pig, being fat, etc instead of using the clinical term 'weight gain'. LOL.
What I was wondering - are there any others? I was wondering in particular if there was one that talked freely about being a pig, being fat, etc instead of using the clinical term 'weight gain'. LOL.
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Well, I’ve been on the International Faculty for the Milton H. Erickson Foundation for Psychotherapy and Clinical Hypnosis, and here’s my observation (and for those of you who report you have a short attention span, if you scroll down past the "numbers" to the "A-B-C", I've offered an outline of how to do a type of self-hypnosis):
1) Erickson (who was considered the greatest contemporary practitioner of clinical hypnosis) stated, “The fact that 100 percent of the population can be hypnotized does not mean that one person can hypnotize 100 percent of the population.” In other words, different people respond differently to specific hypnotic techniques. Just so, most of you probably have a “tv/movie” mindset that hypnosis is done with a swinging watch, a spinning spiral, or a meditative tape with soft music and a droning voice. Erickson talked about these approaches as basically boring people into a trance. They escape into a trance just to get away. Erickson, was in a wheelchair and paralyzed due to polio for a great deal of his adult life (he actually had two major outbreaks of polio—the first in his late teens), so he was “forced” to learn how to influence others’ behavior simply by the use of his voice—you use what you have)--he frequently used the “boredom” approach, rambling on for several minutes, while periodically throwing in “something that made sense.” Anyway—sorry—habit of being a professor and having to lecture. The bottom line—the type of tapes described are going to have a standard response from folks—great for some, mediocre for others, and for a segment of the population, the worst thing that can be used.
2) Erickson, early on in his research, was curious if you could “use” hypnosis to “force” people to do something they didn’t really want to do. As an example, he would place someone into a trance state and give them the command to do something that was “against their nature”—such as stealing money.
1) Erickson (who was considered the greatest contemporary practitioner of clinical hypnosis) stated, “The fact that 100 percent of the population can be hypnotized does not mean that one person can hypnotize 100 percent of the population.” In other words, different people respond differently to specific hypnotic techniques. Just so, most of you probably have a “tv/movie” mindset that hypnosis is done with a swinging watch, a spinning spiral, or a meditative tape with soft music and a droning voice. Erickson talked about these approaches as basically boring people into a trance. They escape into a trance just to get away. Erickson, was in a wheelchair and paralyzed due to polio for a great deal of his adult life (he actually had two major outbreaks of polio—the first in his late teens), so he was “forced” to learn how to influence others’ behavior simply by the use of his voice—you use what you have)--he frequently used the “boredom” approach, rambling on for several minutes, while periodically throwing in “something that made sense.” Anyway—sorry—habit of being a professor and having to lecture. The bottom line—the type of tapes described are going to have a standard response from folks—great for some, mediocre for others, and for a segment of the population, the worst thing that can be used.
2) Erickson, early on in his research, was curious if you could “use” hypnosis to “force” people to do something they didn’t really want to do. As an example, he would place someone into a trance state and give them the command to do something that was “against their nature”—such as stealing money.
Interestingly, what would happen is the person would emerge from the trance, rather than following the command. From additional research, it would appear that no matter how “deep” the trance, there is a part of the “self” that in the literature is called “the hidden observer”—so even if “you” (your conscious awareness) has no memory of what went on during a trance, there’s still a “part” of you that was aware and remembers. This appears to reflect what happens with severe emotional trauma—say, when someone is sexually or physically/emotionally abused to the extent he or she “checks out.” In what used to be called “split-personality disorder” the classic model is that other “sub-personalities” were created to “take over” from the core personality as a type of protection. The core personality would then experience “black outs” when the sub-personalities appeared. The point of this—if on a conscious/subconscious level, you really don’t want to gain, it’s unlikely any subliminal tapes are going to be very effective. On the other hand, if you truly want to gain, no matter how crappy a tape of this sort might be, it will probably have some useful impact.
3) Erickson was famous for using “open-ended” approaches. Most (in my experience when I had to review a bunch as part of teaching--and let me be clear--I have not tried the "gaining" tapes mentioned in this thread) of the subliminal tapes I’ve examined tend to be rather authoritative. ---“You WILL experience an increase in your appetite” -- “You WILL go into a deep sleep…” Unfortunately, a significant percentage of the population doesn’t respond well to authority and being “bossed.”
3) Erickson was famous for using “open-ended” approaches. Most (in my experience when I had to review a bunch as part of teaching--and let me be clear--I have not tried the "gaining" tapes mentioned in this thread) of the subliminal tapes I’ve examined tend to be rather authoritative. ---“You WILL experience an increase in your appetite” -- “You WILL go into a deep sleep…” Unfortunately, a significant percentage of the population doesn’t respond well to authority and being “bossed.”
Erickson would say something on the order of: “I’m curious if you are noticing a change in how you’re feeling? Are you feeling a little hungry? I wonder if you’re feeling hungry right now, or if you’ll feel hungry in the next hour or so.” Or—“Some people start to feel sleepy when they close their eyes. Others can go into a very deep sleep with their eyes open. Some people feel safe when they close your eyes…” Just so, what Erickson is doing is avoiding what we call in Psych 101, “resistance.” He will always give someone a sense of choice. You can get hungry now, or you can get hungry later—but here’s the beauty—there’s an underlying assumption YOU WILL GET HUNGRY…and you’re making the choice of exactly when. When Erickson was perfecting his vocal technique from being paralyzed in bed, where the only thing he could move was his head, he found that by emphasizing certain phrases or word combinations, it was as if he could “program” how a listener responded to what are now called “embedded commands”—in the example I gave of “getting sleepy”—the conscious mind will tend to force what’s being heard into a “sensible” message, but on an unconscious level, what is actually heard is—“close your eyes.” I’ve done this dozens of times, and it’s fascinating to see the impact of embedded commands.
4) The one concern I have is folks from a site like this one finding a really good/qualified hypnotherapist, and then finding one that would assist you in doing something “kinky.” I could see some ethical conflict from a hypnotherapist who has no connection with the “scene” who might have a negative attitude towards deliberate weight gain unless the patient has anorexia.
4) The one concern I have is folks from a site like this one finding a really good/qualified hypnotherapist, and then finding one that would assist you in doing something “kinky.” I could see some ethical conflict from a hypnotherapist who has no connection with the “scene” who might have a negative attitude towards deliberate weight gain unless the patient has anorexia.
5) If you would like to try something—here’s a suggestion. Accept the fact there are “parts” of you that are verbal and “parts” that are non-verbal.
A) Out loud, when you have privacy (and it's up to you if you want to do a candle/incense/soft music), tell yourself, “I appreciate how my unconscious will do everything it can to keep me safe. I want to thank the part of me that watches over me and protects me. I would like to gain weight for the following reasons (and state them out loud…cover things that are important TO YOU (and you can start to see why generic tapes are not that effective…different people will have different priorities)—that might include a feeling of softness, a feeling of comfort—or for some, a feeling of being more masculine/feminine.
C) Say: “I would now like all the different parts of me to consider these 3 new behaviors to see if there are any objections.” (This is called an “ecological check”—Let’s say a part of you suggests—“Based on the fact this body gets fatter every time he/she gets really drunk, let’s just stay drunk.”—staying drunk is probably not a solution your liver will accept. This is another reason why generic tapes don’t work that well. The “solution” the tape’s maker offers may set off all sorts of alarm bells for some “parts” of you.) Wait for 60 seconds.)
A) Out loud, when you have privacy (and it's up to you if you want to do a candle/incense/soft music), tell yourself, “I appreciate how my unconscious will do everything it can to keep me safe. I want to thank the part of me that watches over me and protects me. I would like to gain weight for the following reasons (and state them out loud…cover things that are important TO YOU (and you can start to see why generic tapes are not that effective…different people will have different priorities)—that might include a feeling of softness, a feeling of comfort—or for some, a feeling of being more masculine/feminine.
C) Say: “I would now like all the different parts of me to consider these 3 new behaviors to see if there are any objections.” (This is called an “ecological check”—Let’s say a part of you suggests—“Based on the fact this body gets fatter every time he/she gets really drunk, let’s just stay drunk.”—staying drunk is probably not a solution your liver will accept. This is another reason why generic tapes don’t work that well. The “solution” the tape’s maker offers may set off all sorts of alarm bells for some “parts” of you.) Wait for 60 seconds.)
D) Say: If there are any objections, I’d like to ask the parts that object to form a committee with the creative part of me to come up with alternative solutions that will not be objectionable.” Wait another 60 seconds.
E) Then do another “ecological check.”
F) Now—here’s the important part—“I’d like to ask the part of me that keeps me from gaining the weight/size I want, to be responsible for overseeing the new behaviors to make sure they are working over the next 6 weeks.” If you AREN’T gaining as you desire, then it’s most likely there’s a “part” of you that is preventing the gain (like a brake/governing device/thermostat) just as there’s a “part” of you that’s trying to balloon. Parts “hate” to be out of a job. One of the reason behavioral change often fails is because you’re trying to “fire” a part of you that’s been very busy, perhaps for most of your life. You’re now giving that “part” an opportunity to continue to be important, but now doing another task.
G) At the end of 6 weeks, you will need to review and document the fact you did gain weight/size. If you did not—this approach was not a failure—but it does mean the 3 new behaviors did not work as well or better than your “old” behavior of “NOT” gaining weight/size. For example, if one new behavior was to increase the amount of sugar based food in your consumption, the part of you in charge of insulin may be sabotaging wolfing down cakes and cookies. If you haven’t changed weight/size at the end of 6 weeks, then you simply restart the process from step A, and generate 3 alternative behaviors.
And finally—the most successful outcome is when 6 weeks have passed and you’ve completely forgotten you’ve done all this, and you’re significantly bigger. The best outcome is when your conscious mind isn’t paying any attention to the fact you’re eating more, or more frequently, but just enjoys going along for the ride.
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